[00:00:00] What would success look like if we were able to solve this problem or address this challenge? Or what would it look like if we leaned into this opportunity? What could we expect to have happen down the road? Maybe another way to put it is, what have we learned from our history that we're wired for? What would be the best use of us as a community? What's worked in the past? What hasn't? And start to cull down and get to that one thing that you're going to do.
[00:00:27] Welcome to episode 369.
[00:00:30] Today we continue our series on Dreaming Big for 2025. How do you develop and launch a vision for your church? How do you figure out what to do next? How do you discern together what God is calling you to do? So today we talk about one of the best things that you can do, and that is simply to get started. That's today on The Reclaimed Leader.
[00:00:53] Welcome to The Reclaimed Leader Podcast. I'm Jason Tucker.
[00:00:57] And I'm Jesse Skiffington.
[00:00:58] We're two pastors in the trenches who are passionate about church health for greater gospel impact.
[00:01:04] We share the ups and downs of ministry, strategies that worked for us, and some that didn't.
[00:01:09] Best practices and practical tools for church leadership.
[00:01:12] The goal? To help all of our churches flourish. Let's get started.
[00:01:19] Hey, everyone. Welcome back to The Reclaimed Leader Podcast. It's good to be with you here again, man.
[00:01:25] It is. We're in the middle of Christmas time. Jesse, I know you've been hitting all the Christmas parties,
[00:01:31] you know, doing your thing. I know you get dressed up as Santa often.
[00:01:36] I tell you, one more thing added. I can't. I told our staff a while ago. I was like, please don't.
[00:01:43] Just let's, come on. We got enough already. It's a lot going on. There's a lot. And a lot of good
[00:01:49] things. A lot of really awesome things. So, but yeah, busy time of year for sure.
[00:01:53] Yeah, busy. And I mean, I love it. I truly do. I love getting to hang with people from church
[00:02:00] in non-church environments. I love just kind of all this stuff. You know, people love to have
[00:02:05] Christmas parties and they invite their pastor, which is always kind of nice, you know? So
[00:02:10] that part's really cool, but we're talking about dreaming for this next year and the last two
[00:02:15] episodes. If you're listening to Pastor and you just kind of found us or you missed the last couple
[00:02:22] of weeks, you may want to go back and listen, but it's a series where we're thinking about how do we
[00:02:26] create some headspace just a little bit before it turns 2025? How even in this Christmas time can we
[00:02:35] be thinking about where do we feel God wants to take us? What's the vision of where God wants us
[00:02:41] to go? And even if you spend 15 minutes on this, I think it's 15 minutes well spent. Because man, it
[00:02:49] just gets you a little bit of a head start before you're thinking about what God wants for us next.
[00:02:56] Yeah. I think there's some space in the cracks between all the busyness where actually, and we've
[00:03:00] been saying this the last couple of weeks, it's kind of life-giving to think ahead or to kind of
[00:03:05] take yourself out of the urgency of the moment and do some dreaming. And I found that helpful in the
[00:03:10] midst of a busy season to carve some time out to go and just sit and have that cup of coffee and do
[00:03:15] some of that, kind of sketching some possibilities going forward. And it kind of reminds you what we're
[00:03:19] here for and what's possible and that kind of thing. So yeah, we're inviting you in the midst of a busy
[00:03:25] time to think ahead, to dream ahead for what might happen in the new year. And today we're going to
[00:03:32] talk about really how to get moving. And sometimes we can be paralyzed unless we have a comprehensive
[00:03:39] plan. And we talked about our budget last time. We're like, well, I didn't quite get that budget
[00:03:44] stuff done for vision. And so really, we're going to kind of pull back and just say, let's just do
[00:03:50] something. Let's get moving. And one of the things I think I hope we'll discover is that by getting
[00:03:57] moving, it has this really healthy effect in our life together that as we're moving, we can actually
[00:04:03] begin to shape culture and move in a direction of the kind of work we want to do and who we want to
[00:04:10] be as we work together in the church. So getting moving is important. And I remember something that
[00:04:15] senior pastor that was here when I started at Marineview 15 years ago now, Jason, that was
[00:04:20] grand, long time, long time, but pastor John Schmick, awesome guy. And he had been here for
[00:04:25] almost 25 years. And he said something, this is emblazoned on my brain. I'll never forget it. But
[00:04:32] he said, you can't steer a parked car and God can't steer a parked life. And people would go,
[00:04:40] oh, that's like profound. And I kind of extended that. And we use that to remember John fondly,
[00:04:47] but also I'll say something like God can't steer a parked church. We need to get moving so that God
[00:04:53] can begin to direct us and so that we can go in the direction he wants to go. But if we're just
[00:04:57] sitting still and we're just doing the same things that we've always done, how is God going to be at
[00:05:01] work? What's going to be the outcome? So get moving so that God can be at work in your church,
[00:05:08] steer you in the direction he wants you to go and shape some healthy culture along the way.
[00:05:12] So that's what we're going to be talking about today, getting moving for the sake of accomplishing
[00:05:17] something, but also for shaping some really healthy church culture.
[00:05:21] I love it because last couple of weeks, we're talking about some pretty big things,
[00:05:25] developing organizational vision as a combination of creative imagination and practical processes.
[00:05:32] And I think there's a part of that that can turn quickly into overwhelm when we're like,
[00:05:37] well, I don't have the time or maybe the inclination or maybe I'm just don't have it fully fleshed out
[00:05:44] and therefore I can't get started. But this is what happens. It happens with people's health all the
[00:05:48] time, right? It's like, well, I want to lose weight before I go to the gym. And that seems to be a
[00:05:58] really tough barrier, right? I mean, it's like, or I want to do it once we get past Christmas,
[00:06:07] then I'm going to care about my nutrition. Well, it doesn't mean you just have to like give up,
[00:06:12] you know, like enjoy yourself at Christmas, but maybe not every meal has to be a double cheeseburger,
[00:06:16] right? I mean, so how do you get started? Just get moving. And what happens is,
[00:06:23] is you, you start acclimating to the movement in a really positive way. It's like, uh, the whole body
[00:06:31] at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by an outside force. So, um, you know, allow God to
[00:06:38] get you moving. And all of a sudden that turns into a habit, turns into momentum, turns into bigger
[00:06:45] things than you probably even imagined. Right. And then maybe you're having the conversation that
[00:06:49] we've been having the last couple of weeks about vision, budgeting and, and all of that. But if
[00:06:53] you're stuck, just pick something that that's, I mean, literally my top point right here is pick
[00:06:58] something and, uh, pick one thing, pick an idea, identify a project that in some way will move
[00:07:04] you as a congregation towards your vision and mission, uh, view it as an opportunity to develop
[00:07:10] healthy culture along the way. So just pick something. And I think there's three benefits
[00:07:14] here and we're going to, we'll just talk through these three things. And it's, you know,
[00:07:17] it's Christmas time, three point sermon, three point podcast. That's all people really have
[00:07:21] benefits to just picking something to get moving. You will have done something worthwhile that moves
[00:07:29] you towards your vision and mission. Even if it's a small thing, you will have done something
[00:07:32] that moves you forward. Second, you will have galvanized the community around a common purpose
[00:07:38] and created the potential for momentum. You will have done something that people say, Hey, look,
[00:07:42] look what we did. Let's do something else. And third, you will have space to develop healthy
[00:07:48] church culture. You will have created an environment where you can work on who we are together as a
[00:07:53] community, how we do our work together, how we live out our mission together. So those are the
[00:07:57] three things I want to look at. And the first one, um, as we're talking about, how do you pick your
[00:08:03] project? If you're going to pick something that will help you move towards your vision and mission,
[00:08:08] how do you go about that? Um, when you're brainstorming for an initiative or a project and,
[00:08:13] uh, for us, we take a questions based approach to that. Now, I don't know how you guys do it,
[00:08:18] Jason, they're at Teller Hill, but we start with questions. Uh, sometimes the question is something
[00:08:23] like this. If we could pick one thing that God would do through us right now, what would we want it to
[00:08:28] be? What, what might, what might be possible if, if God showed up or as your question, I love this one.
[00:08:35] You guys ask what needs or hurts are out there. What are the pain points that God is leading us
[00:08:41] to, to address or to help people with? Um, one of my favorite questions is kind of a tongue twister,
[00:08:47] but what do we want to be true next year? That isn't true now through a year from now that isn't
[00:08:54] the reality now isn't true now. And so to look into that, uh, maybe another one would be something like,
[00:09:01] um, if we could pick something that we believe we could see through to the finish line, what's
[00:09:06] something like that, that we could pick something to get us in motion. So those are just a few
[00:09:11] questions to get the ball rolling. I don't know. Are you a brainstorm question asker guy, or how do you
[00:09:16] guys pick something? Yeah. So, uh, well, I think it's two ways. One is, I wouldn't say negative
[00:09:23] one's from sort of like an opportunity, uh, side and once from a challenge side. So, uh, an opportunity
[00:09:31] side, uh, idea might be, uh, oh my gosh, we feel like God's really showing us this and we have a
[00:09:39] chance to, to kind of take a swing here and do something that we're excited about or, and this
[00:09:46] has just happened recently, or we have a challenge that really has surfaced that we have to address
[00:09:51] right now. They can't wait another minute for us. It's our volunteer system. And so we've been
[00:09:58] spending a lot of time over the last couple of months asking questions and I'm smelling a few
[00:10:04] episodes on this. I think that's coming. Yeah. Yeah. But, but yeah, it's around what we, we do what
[00:10:10] we call SWOT analysis work. And I'm sure you've done some of that, but identifying an opportunity
[00:10:16] to press into a new territory, a new idea, a new arena, or to address a challenge or what we might
[00:10:23] call it a threat or something that is threatening to derail our mission and, and focusing in on solving
[00:10:28] that problem. And I think sometimes it's helpful to even take a, a problem solution approach to that.
[00:10:34] Like what, what is the solution we could come up with? I wonder how we could solve this problem and,
[00:10:38] and then move, move, uh, towards that. So pick something, an opportunity or a challenge. I like the way
[00:10:45] and, uh, then begin to drill down into which one are you going to pick? Cause there's probably a lot
[00:10:49] that you could aim at a lot of opportunities, a lot of challenges. So maybe ask some follow-up
[00:10:54] questions like, um, uh, what would success look like if we were able to solve this problem or address
[00:11:01] this challenge? Or what would, what would it look like if we leaned into this opportunity? What,
[00:11:06] what can we expect to have happened down the road? Uh, maybe another way to put it is, um,
[00:11:11] what did we learn from our history that we're wired for?
[00:11:14] What would be the best use of us as a community? What's worked in the past? What hasn't? And start
[00:11:19] to, to cold down and get to that one thing that you're going to, you're going to do. Um, and then
[00:11:25] pick it and have the courage to do it. And here's the thing there's a paralysis by analysis happens all
[00:11:31] the time. And if you're just, if you're, the goal is to get moving, just pick something. So pick a
[00:11:37] challenge, pick an opportunity. And if you're 80% of the way there towards a decision, that's good enough.
[00:11:42] Yeah. It's good enough. Get 80% and actually 80% is really good. So get most of the way there and
[00:11:49] then decide and then get going. So first thing, identify that project. And if you make any progress
[00:11:56] towards it, and if you can get it there, that initiative or that project, then you're going
[00:12:00] to have made progress towards your vision and mission. So.
[00:12:02] Well, yeah. And I throw in there, Jesse, that a lot of folks are worried about what if I pick the wrong
[00:12:08] thing? And I think the answer is take a breath. You really can't pick the wrong thing.
[00:12:15] Yeah. There's, and I would say in this scenario, now there are some wrong things, right? Um,
[00:12:21] in the big grand scheme of things, if you're looking for your next senior pastor and you pick the wrong one,
[00:12:26] sure. You know, there are things that you can make a mess of, but when we're talking about getting
[00:12:31] moving, even if it's a colossal failure, you're going to have learned some things. You're going
[00:12:35] to have taught everybody that we take risks and we try things. And even if it doesn't work out,
[00:12:41] man, that was so cool that we gave it a shot. And what did we learn so that we can do better next
[00:12:45] time? So yeah, there's not a wrong answer and pick a thing to tackle. And, and it really doesn't
[00:12:50] matter which one it is. It really doesn't.
[00:12:53] It doesn't. Yeah. And, and if it is that problem solution, you know, that, that challenge section,
[00:13:00] and actually is going to have a really awesome benefit because it means that people are going
[00:13:03] to go, Oh, you know, the things that are not working so well, and we're working to solve them.
[00:13:08] So there's a credibility aspect and the opportunity side, I think can build sort of that momentum of
[00:13:13] excitement of what's possible, what might happen and anticipation there. So pick something so that you
[00:13:20] can move the mission forward, even if it's just a little bit. Second thing is sort of this idea of
[00:13:24] galvanizing the community around that and getting people excited together to be a part of it. And
[00:13:30] I think that has the effect of building a shared purpose and has the potential to create momentum.
[00:13:36] And we want both of those things. We want a shared purpose, shared vision and mission,
[00:13:41] and a sense of momentum. We're a church that does things. We're not just sitting still. Look at us,
[00:13:46] we're moving. Even if it's slow, uh, we're making some progress. So, uh, galvanize the community by
[00:13:54] taking that, that idea, that something you picked seriously enough to then take action on it.
[00:14:01] Yeah. So one of the worst things, and I say the wrong thing that you can do is picking something
[00:14:07] and then just letting the conversation drop and never coming back to it. Like if you're going to go
[00:14:13] through the work to identify a challenge or an opportunity, you got to do some follow-through
[00:14:19] and it's the follow-through that's going to galvanize people together. So one of the, oh,
[00:14:23] go ahead. You look like, yeah. No, I was going to say when, when people are galvanized together,
[00:14:26] it creates so much excitement. Yeah. Uh, I was thinking about this in the context of sports. So,
[00:14:32] uh, I know you're not happy about this, but my, my son and I went to the Penn state whiteout
[00:14:38] game where they played, uh, Washington. Yeah, it was tough. I almost texted you to apologize for
[00:14:42] not even having a team that would show up. We had half of our line was injured. It is not me,
[00:14:47] but I got to tell you something being in that environment with the, you know, the student
[00:14:52] section, they give everybody when they come and they give them these little pom-poms and everybody,
[00:14:56] there's like a million traditions that you don't really know when you go there, but all the times
[00:15:00] they do it and how they do it. Yeah. But when you're doing it together, the excitement and the fun
[00:15:06] that we're all 110,000 people doing this together is pretty remarkable. And I think there's an aspect
[00:15:13] of that that happens when our church is galvanized around a central idea. Hey, we're doing this
[00:15:19] together and isn't this exciting. It creates a kind of buzz and excitement about it. Absolutely.
[00:15:24] So I think here's some next steps that you might think about. One is you might need to create a lead
[00:15:29] team, right? There might be a team of people that are leading the charge, but in addition to that
[00:15:33] lead team, part of their job is to reach out to all the various constituencies of the church,
[00:15:39] the little pockets and circles of people to bring them into the project somehow, to get their input,
[00:15:45] their feedback, their ideas, to dream together about this thing that we're trying to do. So get a lead
[00:15:52] team because you need people that are going to lead the charge and see it through, but try to figure out
[00:15:57] how to reach beyond that group to really generate momentum for the whole community. And we do that.
[00:16:04] There's a handful of ways that we've tried to do that. But sometimes it's a, here's our idea.
[00:16:10] What are your thoughts? Just kind of a listening session where we present the idea and then hear
[00:16:14] all kinds of feedback from people. Sometimes we'll put a Q&A sheet out that says, here's the questions
[00:16:20] we've been hearing about this project. And here's what we think are some answers. And if we missed
[00:16:25] anything, let us know. And it kind of gets the doubters to express their skepticism, but then
[00:16:30] it can get on board. Sometimes if it's a project, a physical project that we're going to do, we just
[00:16:36] redid our discipleship pathways kind of presentation. We have four screens with the different things people
[00:16:42] can do. And we walk people through it and say, this is what it's going to look like. And what do
[00:16:47] you think? Is this the right spot for those screens? Or should they be lower or higher? These are all
[00:16:51] questions that anybody can solve, a team could solve on their own, but we're trying to invite as many
[00:16:56] people into the conversation as we can. So getting a buy-in from the congregation by inviting everybody,
[00:17:02] provide input, no idea is a bad idea. We're all ears, those kinds of things. Even if you already kind of
[00:17:07] have an idea of what it's going to look like, it has the effect of generating excitement that we're all
[00:17:12] part of this thing together. Oh, and they thought of us. They thought of this group and that group as,
[00:17:17] as they're planning this thing. So I don't know, Jason, it might not, depending on the scale of your
[00:17:22] church, it might be easier or harder to do that kind of thing. But are there things that you guys
[00:17:26] do to kind of invite everybody to get excited? Oh yeah. And we'll, we'll invite feedback a lot.
[00:17:35] Like we'll invite people to, Hey, let us know, let's talk about it. But really the, the vehicle by which
[00:17:40] we do that a lot is through our small groups is if we have something that we want to get feedback on,
[00:17:45] we have our small group leaders talk about it and then they come back and share.
[00:17:49] That's awesome. So you're getting grassroots input that's coming upstream. And here's the thing,
[00:17:54] sometimes I think in leadership, it can feel threatening to ask like that, but I'm telling
[00:18:00] you, you'll be glad you did. Some of the best ideas that we've ever had did not come from our staff or
[00:18:05] our senior leadership or any of that. It's from people talking, you know, in their everyday lives,
[00:18:09] sort of the grassroots ideas that filter out to the surface. And so getting a lot of good feedback,
[00:18:14] it has this, I don't know, galvanizing fun effect. We're excited about this. Here's where we are in
[00:18:20] this project, kind of keeping people up to date and how the thing is going. Another next step that
[00:18:25] I would encourage you to think about it, and this is to help us get it across the finish line.
[00:18:31] So if we're going to galvanize people, if we're going to pick something and get everybody excited,
[00:18:36] let's figure out how to follow through. Right. And so I would say another next step is to
[00:18:41] kind of work with the end in mind, get that leadership team, that lead team that's getting
[00:18:47] everybody excited to kind of think, what is the final product look like? What does success look
[00:18:53] like? And then work back from there. We call it reverse engineering. We do that a lot around here.
[00:18:58] So what would success look like? And then how, what are the steps we would have taken along the way to
[00:19:04] make that a success? So we kind of put ourselves out at the end and then work our way back
[00:19:08] towards our resources, towards a timeline, towards the kinds of things that are going to take it from
[00:19:13] idea to reality. So I think that's a pretty common tactic for goal engineering, but it's important.
[00:19:20] Don't miss this part of the process that if you never stop to define success, it's going to be
[00:19:25] really hard to get from where you are to where you want to be. So get there, think about the end,
[00:19:30] think about success, think about the outcome. What would a successful volunteer
[00:19:37] organizational tactic be? How do you create an or a volunteer system and what would success look like?
[00:19:43] So having your team drill down into that is going to help you then go, here are the steps we would
[00:19:48] take to make that happen. Yeah, that's really good. And I think to your point, sort of at the top of the
[00:19:54] episode about getting moving is that what happens is when you start moving, you start seeing where to
[00:20:03] pivot, but you can't, you can't pivot in God's direction if you're not going anywhere or the
[00:20:09] way I always heard it. If you're, you're not going to sail anywhere, if you're tied up to the dock.
[00:20:14] Yep. I think that's a really good way to put it. And sometimes just getting the ball rolling
[00:20:19] leads you to a different, what we think is going to happen at the end.
[00:20:23] Brings clarity. Brings clarity.
[00:20:25] But just the fact of getting in motion, you might go, you know what? We picked this idea. It turns
[00:20:30] out that wasn't the right idea, but we were led to this one instead. And that, man, that is the right
[00:20:35] idea. So let's go that direction and closing the gap between where we are and what that picture
[00:20:40] of success looks like in the end. So I think so, so far we've talked about pick something that's going to,
[00:20:45] and any progress is going to move you toward the mission. Even failure in some respects is going
[00:20:50] to move you toward the mission because you'll have risk and survive and it will be okay. Let's try
[00:20:54] something else. Then galvanize people, get a leadership team, get a lot of input from a lot
[00:20:59] of different constituencies, get people excited about it together and brainstorm and dream about
[00:21:03] it together. And then think about as you, as you kind of call that down and work through that,
[00:21:08] what does success look like? What is the target we're aiming for? And then begin to work back
[00:21:12] from that to the steps that you're going to take. And in the process of moving from here,
[00:21:17] where you are to where you want to be, this is the opportunity for healthy culture to grow.
[00:21:23] And I think I've noticed this many times at Marine View, that when we are moving in this direction
[00:21:29] that we all believe in together or excited about together, then we get to ask this other really
[00:21:34] helpful question. Who are we as we do this work together? What are our values as we work
[00:21:42] together? And it has this really clarifying effect for what a healthy church looks like.
[00:21:49] And that's what I want to focus on just for kind of our landing point, that really the outcome of
[00:21:54] getting moving, yeah, you're going to move towards a vision and mission. Yeah, you're going to get
[00:21:57] people excited and build momentum. Those are awesome. You're also going to be shaping a culture
[00:22:01] in your life together. And there's a punchline at the end of the culture piece that I think
[00:22:06] is really crucial for us as churches. But we're going to be a team that decides ahead of time who
[00:22:13] we want to be as we work together. So I don't know what some of your values are in your teams,
[00:22:17] your staff, that kind of thing. Sometimes they're articulated, sometimes they're unspoken.
[00:22:21] But for us, one of our values is we're going to seek broad input. That's the kind of culture
[00:22:26] we're going to have. We want to hear everybody's grassroots. We're open to new ideas. We don't,
[00:22:31] the best ideas are ahead of us, not in the rear view mirror. We can learn from our past, but hey,
[00:22:36] what do you always say? The rear view mirror is small on purpose. The windshield's big on purpose,
[00:22:40] that kind of thing. And then part of our culture is a culture of risk-taking for the sake of the
[00:22:46] mission. We are going to take some risks here. We're going to try some things that maybe feel
[00:22:50] uncomfortable or we've never tried before. And we're going to take some risks and we're going to be
[00:22:55] wise, but we're going to be bold. And it's sort of in line with that seek first his kingdom and his
[00:23:00] righteousness and all the other stuff is going to be given to you as well. So we're going to be
[00:23:03] risk-takers. We're going to be prayerful. We have a culture as we're doing something together where we
[00:23:09] say, God, we need you to be in this for it to be successful. We need you to be a part of this and
[00:23:15] for you to provide. And we're not going to do the, sometimes the Presbyterian thing, which is we made
[00:23:20] our plans. Now, can you please bless what we've already planned and budgeted for and done all that
[00:23:24] stuff? So we're prayerful throughout. In our culture, we are gracious and patient with each
[00:23:30] other. Something we say a lot. We believe the best about each other and our intentions. We start from
[00:23:37] there and work back from that. And so in our work together as a church, if we step on each other's
[00:23:42] toes, we're going to say, I don't think Jason really meant to step on my toes. He just wanted us to be
[00:23:47] successful in this venture. And so he had, he wanted to say something kind of hard to hold us
[00:23:51] accountable. Right. So we're believing the best about each other. And I'm sure you could throw in
[00:23:56] some other things. Are there kind of values that show up in your, your work? Yeah. I mean,
[00:24:00] I think a lot of them are ones that you've just articulated, but I would throw another one in is
[00:24:04] that we are unapologetically aggressive toward reaching the lost. Yeah. So we're not going to
[00:24:11] apologize for sharing the good news. We have a bias. Our bias is to help people who don't know Jesus.
[00:24:17] Yeah. Yeah. That's good. And so I think there's other things that you could probably think of,
[00:24:21] you know, other values that you want to show up. We're going to, uh, you know, we're going to be
[00:24:25] committed and we're going to see it through. And I think the one for me that, uh, if anything could
[00:24:30] come out of, uh, picking something, getting in motion, something that's going to move toward the
[00:24:34] mission and something that's going to create momentum, but really the culture you want more than
[00:24:38] anything else is that we are implementers. We follow through on our ideas. We don't just dream
[00:24:45] about things. We do things. What's the old quote. It's an old quote now, Yoda. What did he say? Do
[00:24:52] you remember? Do or do not. There is no try. There is no try. And I think this is where
[00:24:58] Mr. Miyagi said that too. Did he? Yeah, probably. It sounds, sounds just, but I think a lot of times
[00:25:06] churches, we are, we have plenty of ideas. We can dream and brainstorm and all that, but we're
[00:25:12] short on follow through. Yeah. And I think this is the part of picking something, getting moving,
[00:25:19] something that's within reach. That's, that's something you can accomplish. And if you get to
[00:25:24] that, to that far side of it and you've done it, and even if it's, it's not perfect, right? It's 80%
[00:25:31] of the way there or 70% of the way there, you're going to have created a culture of we follow through,
[00:25:37] we get things done. We have ideas and then they come to life. And I got to tell you, there's nothing
[00:25:43] that creates more excitement and momentum than that. When we are seeing the outcomes of the things
[00:25:51] that we've been working on together. And so that's the kind of culture that I think getting in motion
[00:25:56] can shape. It's going to move you towards your vision mission. And we want that people's lives are
[00:26:00] going to be impact and changed because of the work you're doing. And you're going to start to believe
[00:26:04] in what's possible that we can come up with an idea or we can go where the Lord is leading us.
[00:26:09] And we're going to see it through. We have what it takes to follow through. So for me, that's the
[00:26:14] bottom line of culture that I want for us is this idea that we are the kind of community that follows
[00:26:19] through on our, on our ideas. Let's go, let's see what God does. That's awesome. I love it. And I think
[00:26:25] again, just an important reminder that it might not take as much as you think pastor to really start
[00:26:31] change moving forward. Just get moving. I think that's a great reminder, Jesse.
[00:26:35] Yeah. We're going to redecorate the entry to our church. What are your ideas? What do you think
[00:26:39] people should see when they first walk through the doors? Pick anything, pick something and get
[00:26:44] everybody working together because a church in motion is a church that God can be at work through.
[00:26:50] A church that's frozen and stuck. It's just, it can kind of be that suffocating thing where we're
[00:26:57] just like, I want to do so. I want to see God at work in our life together. Well, get in motion.
[00:27:02] God can't steer a park to life or a park church. So let's get, let's get moving.
[00:27:07] I love it. Well, Hey, so next time we're going to talk a little bit about how do you identify
[00:27:16] and prioritize those things that you feel God's calling you to do? Like how, how do you do that?
[00:27:21] Because the biggest question I get is, okay, I've got a million targets I can shoot at, but I don't,
[00:27:27] I don't know. I don't know what order or how to figure out the priority order. So it's,
[00:27:33] it's definitely related to this topic, but it's also about how do I, what's my strategy for sort of
[00:27:38] attacking multiple targets?
[00:27:39] I think that's really good follow-up to this conversation, prioritizing the, some things
[00:27:45] that we're going to pick because we can't pick everything. And yeah, looking forward to that.
[00:27:50] I think there's a ton to say on prioritization and how do we get, how do we get to that? So
[00:27:54] looking forward to that conversation as well.
[00:27:56] Well, thanks everyone. As I hope you're enjoying this time of year. I know it's busy and crazy.
[00:28:01] Take some time for yourself. Try to enjoy it as much as you can go take a drive with your kids and
[00:28:06] go look at the Christmas lights, right? Do, do whatever feeds you because you need it and the
[00:28:12] people are counting on it. And as we always say, we do this podcast together because ministry is hard.
[00:28:18] It is so much better when we do it together.